"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:1-15, NIV)
The End of Forgiveness
A friend of mine (who recently became a Christian) has two adult sons who profess to be atheists. In October 2009, one of the woman's sons became curious about her new found faith and began asking her questions about God. Many of his inquiries were paradoxical in nature, intended (I suspected) to expose contradictions about God and, thus, argue for the impossibility of God (as presented by Christianity.) At her request, I spoke with her son by phone for about one half-hour and answered his first round of inquiries to the best of my abilities.
The gist of his questioning centered around the issue of forgiveness. Assuming God was (and is) as Christianity presents Him, could Satan apologize to God before the end of time and, if Satan did so, would God forgive him and then receive Satan back into Heaven? After all, if God is a god of love, wouldn't He pursue Satan and continue to offer forgiveness in the hope Satan would turn back? The second turning of the issue came in the person of Jesus and the atonement for all sins. If Jesus truly died for the sins of the whole world, who will Jesus have left to judge on Judgment Day, since the slate was wiped clean for everyone by the sacrifice God sent?
Both of these questions were well-worded and thoughtful. I commended the inquisitor for his excellent supposition. Here, in brief, is my response to his question:
Scripture reveals that angels are created spirit-beings whose primary purpose is to serve God. The first of those created spirit-beings was an angel named Lucifer, who fell from God's favor by way of open rebellion. In fact, Lucifer convinced one third of the angels to follow him in revolt against God.
'His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.' (Revelation 12:4, NIV)
In other words, Lucifer's defection from Heaven was much more than a disagreement with the Creator over personal differences. It was a declaration of independence by Lucifer that he would no longer abide with the rule of the King. As such, Lucifer declared God to be his enemy and made a violent attempt to overthrow God. Hence, God had a fight on His Hands.
'And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.' (Revelation 12:7-9, NIV)
It is pointless to speculate what the "god of love" might have done under the circumstances. The account clearly indicates God was not about to allow Lucifer to succeed. Not only did Lucifer lose his standing in Heaven, he was immediately expelled and exiled to Earth as a punishment. The record of Scripture reveals the fallen angel Lucifer (referred to on Earth as Satan) was unrepentant for his blasphemous attitude toward God. So it is not surprising to discover Satan lurking about the Garden of Eden, intent on ruining anything God found joy and pleasure in: especially mankind.
From the beginning of Satan's descent from Heaven through the evils of the present day and into the future, Satan will never repent. God knows it. Satan confirms it. Meanwhile mankind bears the brunt of Satan's destructive drive to discredit and disparage God. By all accounts, Satan is Hell-bent on taking as many human souls down into the darkness as possible before Judgment Day arrives. As the account of Revelation, Chapter 20 predicts, Satan will never repent.
So the answer to the first part of the question is a resounding, "No!" God cannot forgive Satan because Satan does not want God's forgiveness. Satan's exercise of free will by way of open rebellion and intransigence has no point of return, nor any possibility of forgiveness by God. Period.
Which brings us to the second part of the question concerning Jesus and the atonement: if, as the gospels declare, Jesus already died for the sins of all mankind, whom will Jesus judge come Judgment Day? The answer is all humanity. If Jesus died for the sins of all the world, then Jesus is compelled by the Law of God to judge everyone for whom Christ suffered and died. Every human being from Adam and Eve to the last living human on Earth will stand before the mercy seat of God, at the end of time. All accounts will be opened and reviewed. Jesus will be the arbiter and will determine who stands in the Presence of the Living God and who will fall away to join Satan in eternal torment.
Forgiveness will be granted to those who believed in God, heard his message of salvation, and responded affirmatively to it. The end of forgiveness will come for those who held God at bay, refusing to accept his atoning sacrifice and offer of reconciliation. Those who will be judged as "forgiven" will no longer have need of forgiveness, for their faith and trust in God (at His word) was already secured in the person of Christ though the cross and resurrection.
The free will choice of each human being, while they walked upon this Earth, has and will determine the measure of forgiveness they will receive from God come Judgment Day. Jesus holds the power of resurrection and reckoning. It is incumbent upon each human being, therefore, to choose well.
(copyright 2009, Gregory Allen Doyle)
Sunday, November 08, 2009
Direct Examination
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A teacher is using this verse to fight the state of Texas in a school fingerprinting case.
It's on DetentionSlip.org!
Actually, what you're saying is that God is incapable of forgiving ANYONE!
I've actually written an entire book on this topic--"Hell? No! Why You Can Be Certain There's No Such Place As Hell," (for anyone interested, you can get a free Ecopy of my book at my website: www.ricklannoye.com), but if I may, let me share one of the many points I make in it to explain why.
Even though, Jesus, presumably speaking for God, taught US to forgive others, just as God forgives us! Was Jesus mistaken?
If Jesus had to "absorb" God's wrath, then God can't forgive. Everyone has to PAY, or have someone else PAY, and pay in full!
On top of that, God supposedly requires eternal torture of the worst sort for that payment, or the blood of an innocent deity/man, no matter how small the sin! Actually, he does this even if we don't get a chance to sin, because we are all all held accountable for what Adam did, and "deserving" of eternal wrath.
But all of this is in complete contradiction to what Jesus, originally, said about God's nature.
If you'll re-read the words of Jesus in the gospels, and look for where HE said his purpose for coming was to die as a blood sacrifice to PAY for our sins, guess what? YOU WON'T FIND IT. In fact, the one place where he does talk about sacrifice is where he says God doesn't want it! He quotes Hosea, saying that God desire MERCY instead.
Look in the book of Acts, at all those first Christian sermons. One would think that would be a real good time to explain what was Jesus' main reason for coming, right? But in none of those sermons, do any of the apostles say Jesus was a blood sacrifice to pay for our sins!
No, all these stuff about blood sacrifice was superimposed later on. Jesus actually said that God just forgives when we own up to our sins and repent. That's it!
If not, then Jesus/God asks us to do something he, himself, cannot do, to forgive others without demanding any sort of payment or to suffer some painful punishment.
Rick,
Yet again another cheap plug for you book and an entirely illogical argument on your part as to what Scripture says.
If you really bothered to read the Bible, you would discern that Jesus and God are the same Spirit.
As for your recounting of the gospel record, your scholarship is lacking and convoluted.
Here are just a few samples from the gospel record to put your argument to rest:
From Matthew 12:38-45(NIV), Jesus declared this about Himself:
'Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, "Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you."
He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one[e] greater than Jonah is here. The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one greater than Solomon is here.
"When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation."'
The Jonah reference is a parable about Jesus' impending death and resurrection.
Another parable reference is found in John 2:18-22:
'Then the Jews demanded of him, "What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?"
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."
The Jews replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?" But the temple he had spoken of was his body. After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.'
In Matthew 20:17-19(NIV), Jesus predicted his death:
'Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the twelve disciples aside and said to them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!"
Why did Jesus announce he was to be crucified?
John the Baptist announced it in John 1:29-34(NIV):
'The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This is the one I meant when I said, 'A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel."
Then John gave this testimony: "I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, 'The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.' I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God."'
If Jesus was sent to die to take away the sins of the world (as declared in the Old and New Testament), then he was sent as a sacrifice. This is not brain surgery Rick.
By any chance are you a Jehovah's Witness?
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